Ep: 194 - Scale of Evil, Part 11: The Abbotsford Killer - The Psychology of Murder

We continue The Scale of Evil Series with a forensic analysis on the case of Terry Driver, convicted murder. Driver ranks at level 16 of Dr. Michael Stone's "Gradations of Evil Scale".

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Ep: 190 - Herb Baumeister / “I-70 Strangler" - Reloaded - The House of Fox Hallow Farm - The Psychology of Serial Killers

Serial Killer, Herb Baumeister, AKA The "I-70 Strangler" and responsible for "The Gay Murders" in Indiana in the late 1980's and early 1990's was an odd man that rode around in a hearse and urinating on a lot of different things... In this episode, Michael Drane, UPC's resident psychotherapist dives into the Psychology of Erotophonophilia & Auto-Erotic Asphixiation.

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Ep: 182 - Scale of Evil: Interview with The Experts - The Psychology of Murder

We are SO excited to provide you with this fascinating conversation between myself, Dr. Michael Stone & Dr. Gary Brucato - The renowned experts behind "The Gradations of Evil" Scale and their new book "The New Evil: Understanding the Emergence of Modern Violent Crime".

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Ep: 176 - Breaking Bad - Walter White & The Midlife Crisis (Preview)

In this episode we discuss AMC’s “Breaking Bad”. We discuss all of the characters on the show but focuses on Walter White, the iconic character from AMC's "Breaking Bad". Was this just a midlife crisis? How evil is Walter White on the Scale of Evil? Does it change over time?.

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Ep: 173 - Scale of Evil, (Part 10) “Death House Landlady” - The Psychology Of Serial Killers

Do serial killers and murderers have to look like the devil to be one? In this episode, we present the Case of Dorothea Puentes, one of the most cited cases for level 15 on Dr. Michael Stone’s Gradations of Evil Scale.

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Ep: 168 - Scale of Evil, (Part 9) “Mommy & Clyde”- The Psychology of Murder

Shante Kimes spent her entire life as a murderous con artist, ruthlessly scheming against anyone she can benefit from. Now that her son Kenneth is older and her husband is dead, Shante has recruited Kenneth- and the two work together to create chaos.

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Ep: 162 - Analyzing The Aaron Hernandez Murders (Stalker Preview Episode) - The Psychology of Aaron Hernandez


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In this episode- We explore the brain trauma, drug use, developmental history, and closeted homosexuality, and eventual suicide that were all part of this deeply troubled killer.

Michael Drane and Andrew Baker discus the Netflix documentary Killer Inside: The Mind of Aaron Hernandez. In this documentary they discuss Aaron Hernandez as a rising star in the NFL. He seemed to have everything, but Hernandez was living a double life... football star by day, impulsive murderer by night.


Aaron Hernandez’s fiancé speaks out



What Is The Netflix documentary about Aaron Hernandez?


A much-anticipated docuseries on Aaron Hernandez hit Netflix on Wednesday, and over three episodes it traces his shocking and seemingly incomprehensible downfall. Between the ages of 16 and 27, the Connecticut native went from being a fun-loving high school star to a well-paid tight end for the Super Bowl-minded Patriots, only to end up committing suicide in prison after being convicted of one Boston-area murder and being heavily implicated in two others.
— http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/01/15/aaron-hernandez-netflix-documentary/%3foutputType=amp

Football Players That Have Committed Suicide or Retired Early




Featuring Professor/Psychoanalyst Michael Drane (@upcmd), Unpopular Culture Podcast is a psychology podcast hosted by Professor & Psychoanalyst Michael Drane. With help from professionals in different fields, he seeks to shine light into the broken underbelly of society.

Listen as he takes on the psychology behind subjects like:

True Crime: serial killers, murders, stalkers, cults, forensic analysis

Psychology: mental illness, social phenomenon, mob mentality, psychoanalysis, etc. 

Culture: Sexuality, Satanic Panic, love, Tv analysis, movie analysis. 

We are an independent psychology podcast. Help us keep UPC free of ads and on the air. Please consider supporting the show and get access to our "Stalkers Only" archive, and help be a part of the creative process.

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Ep: 160 - Analyzing Netflix's "Don't F--K with Cats" - The Psychology of Luka Magnotta & Mob Vigilanteism (Preview)

We will be reviewing the Netflix documentary “Don’t fuck with cats” and the killer Luka Magnotta. With themes of murder, animal abuse, psychopathy, and mob mentality this will sure not be missed.

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Ep: 158 - Manson Vs. Jones - The Psychology of Cult Leaders and Serial Killers (Preview)

We delve into what's the difference between a "Serial Killer" and a "Cult Leader". What is the psychological profiles of Jim Jones, and Charles Manson? We also discuss the differences between spree murder, and mass murder, using two of the most notorious villains in history.

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Ep: 154 - The Christmas Killing Spree: The Psychology of Spree Murder

We investigate the worst spree killing in Dayton Ohio History. Over a 3-day period in December 1992, four young people embarked on a shooting rampage that left five people dead and three wounded. They would soon be known as the “Downtown Posse”.

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Ep: 146 - Scale of Evil (Part 7) Cornered Killers - The Psychology of Murder

In May of 1977 a sadistic Mormon cult leader Ervil Lebaron orders his cult to walk into a clinic and gun down a rival cult leader. This is where our episode on the level 12 scale of evil begins- With a warning about what it means to follow your own killer down a path of weaponized religiosity. Michael drane, true crime, forensics, killer, dr. Michael Stone, gradation of evil, scale of evil,

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Ep: 144 - The Case of Jeffrey MacDonald - The Psychology of Murder

We dive into the mysterious True Crime case of Jeffery MacDonald. This is the case that ALMOST made it onto UPC as level 11 on Dr. Stone's "Scale of Evil". Media sources who have reviewed The Scale of Evil have cited Jeffrey MacDonald as a level 11 murderer, even though there is serious controversy around this case.

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Ep: 142 - Scale of Evil (Part 6) Psychopathic "In The Way" Killers - The Psychology Of Murder

We review the case of Ismael Juarez Cisneros, a semi-psychopath "In The Way" killer who murdered his close friend in retaliation for informing to authorities. This is level 11 on Dr. Stone's Gradation Evil Scale.

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Ep: 130 - Scale of Evil (Part 3) Hot Heads & Fits of Rage - The Psychology of Murder

We cover levels 6-8 on Dr. Michael Stones "Gradation of Evil Scale”. How can anger push someone to murder?

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Ep: 125 - Scale of Evil (Part 1) Levels 1,2, and 3 (Self Defense Murder) - Reviewing Dr. Michael Stone's "Scale of Evil"


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Prof Michael Drane reviews Dr. Michael Stone's "Scale of Evil" using infamous cases. This episode looks at the first 3 levels of murder- Self Defense, Jealousy, & Companion Murders

Check out The New Evil: Understanding the Emergence of Modern Violent Crime. Copyright © 2019 by Michael H. Stone, MD, and Gary Brucato, PhD.


A Brief Description of The Scale Of Evil in This Episode


NOT EVIL

1. Justified Homicide

The least malevolent: Those who have killed in self-defense and do not show psychopathic features.

2. Jealous Lovers, Non-Psychopathic

Though egocentric or immature, evildoers in this category committed their crimes in the heat of passion.

3. Willing Companions Of Killers

Still far from psychopathic, some have antisocial traits and an aberrant personality. They're often driven by impulse.


About Dr. Michael Stone


Dr. Michael Stone is a professor of clinical psychiatry at Columbia. His specialty is personality disorders - most especially “borderline personality disorder.” But in recent years he has concentrated as well on the extremes of personality, as shown by persons who show antisocial, psychopathic, and sadistic traits. This led to an interest in the kinds of people committing murder - spanning the spectrum from jealousy murders to serial killers and torturers. Recently he served as the host of the Discovery Channel show, “Most Evil,” for which he was sent around the country interviewing serial killers and murderers of other types. This experience, plus his research over the past twenty years, led to his writing The Anatomy of Evil (appearing in July of 2009). The book explores the “why” factor: what are the inborn and environmental factors that cause certain people to commit murder and, at the extreme end, to behave with uncommon cruelty toward their fellow man. Modeled after Dante’s Inferno, the book progresses from the least to the most “evil” crimes, and contains a chapter devoted to recent contributions from neuroscience toward understanding the mind of the psychopath.


Unpopular Culture Podcast is a psychology podcast hosted by Professor & Psychoanalyst Michael Drane. With help from professionals in different fields, he seeks to shine light into the broken underbelly of society.

Listen as he takes on the psychology behind subjects like:

True Crime: serial killers, murders, stalkers, cults, forensic analysis

Psychology: mental illness, social phenomenon, mob mentality, psychoanalysis, etc. 

Culture: Sexuality, Satanic Panic, love, Tv analysis, movie analysis. 

We are an independent psychology podcast. Help us keep UPC free of ads and on the air. Please consider supporting the show and get access to our "Stalkers Only" archive, and help be a part of the creative process.

Support the Show! —> patreon.com/upcpodcast 


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Ep: 123 - Cult Psychology: Order Of The Solar Temple

In this episode Michael Drane discusses the Order of the Solar Temple cult. Solar Temple gained worldwide notoriety when the burnt bodies of 74 of its members were found in Switzerland, Canada and then France. 23 bodies were discovered in a burnt-out farm in canton Fribourg. Another 25 bodies were found in canton Valais.

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Ep: 113 - I'm in Love With a Serial Killer - Psychology of Murder and Love

What would it take for you to fall in love with a serial killer? Why would someone fall in love with someone who committed such crimes? We dive into the psychological phenomenon known as "Hybristophillia".

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Ep: 97 - Black Mirror’s “Men Against Fire" - The Psychology of Propaganda

Professor/Psychotherapist Michael Drane is joined by Dr. Pat Owen for critical analysis

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Ep: 81 - Lust Murder - The Psychology of Sex And Murder

This type of serial killer seeks sexual gratification from the murders they commit. We dive into the mind of 2 types of Lust-Murder Style Serial Killers. Herb baumeister, the sexual strangulation-style lust murderer. This is an elaboration on the psychology of the different kinds of lust murder, including some infamous examples, and themes I've seen in my own forensic work.

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Ep: 49 - Herb Baumeister & The House on Fox Hollow Farm —The Psychology of Serial Killers

In this episode, Michael Drane, UPC's resident psychotherapist dives into the Psychology of Erotophonophilia & Auto-Erotic Asphixiation. You'll also hear a psychological profile of Herb Baumeister, prolific serial killer and murderer who turned his massive estate, "Fox Hollow Farm" into a burial ground.

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