Ep: 194 - Scale of Evil, Part 11: The Abbotsford Killer - The Psychology of Murder

We continue The Scale of Evil Series with a forensic analysis on the case of Terry Driver, convicted murder. Driver ranks at level 16 of Dr. Michael Stone's "Gradations of Evil Scale".

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Ep: 190 - Herb Baumeister / “I-70 Strangler" - Reloaded - The House of Fox Hallow Farm - The Psychology of Serial Killers

Serial Killer, Herb Baumeister, AKA The "I-70 Strangler" and responsible for "The Gay Murders" in Indiana in the late 1980's and early 1990's was an odd man that rode around in a hearse and urinating on a lot of different things... In this episode, Michael Drane, UPC's resident psychotherapist dives into the Psychology of Erotophonophilia & Auto-Erotic Asphixiation.

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Ep: 188 - Laura Brand and Analyzing The Toolbox Killers - The Psychology of Serial Murder

We interview Laura Brand, a private investigator who helped find the location of 2 missing victims from the Toolbox Murders of the late 1970s. Laura Brand is one of the leading experts on serial killers and has worked with over 50 serial killers including Lawerence Bittaker (Tool Box Killers).

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Ep: 182 - Scale of Evil: Interview with The Experts - The Psychology of Murder

We are SO excited to provide you with this fascinating conversation between myself, Dr. Michael Stone & Dr. Gary Brucato - The renowned experts behind "The Gradations of Evil" Scale and their new book "The New Evil: Understanding the Emergence of Modern Violent Crime".

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Ep: 146 - Scale of Evil (Part 7) Cornered Killers - The Psychology of Murder

In May of 1977 a sadistic Mormon cult leader Ervil Lebaron orders his cult to walk into a clinic and gun down a rival cult leader. This is where our episode on the level 12 scale of evil begins- With a warning about what it means to follow your own killer down a path of weaponized religiosity. Michael drane, true crime, forensics, killer, dr. Michael Stone, gradation of evil, scale of evil,

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Ep: 141 - Scale of Evil (Part 5) "In The Way" Killers - The Psychology of Murder

Continuation of the series on Scale of EvilWe review the case of John List, a semi-psychopath "In The Way" killer who murdered his entire family to save their souls. Level 10 on Dr. Michael Stones Gradation of Evil Scale.

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Ep: 130 - Scale of Evil (Part 3) Hot Heads & Fits of Rage - The Psychology of Murder

We cover levels 6-8 on Dr. Michael Stones "Gradation of Evil Scale”. How can anger push someone to murder?

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Ep: 129 - Scale of Evil (Part 2) Provoked Self-Defense & Desperate Measures Murder - The Psychology of Murder


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Prof. Michael Drane reviews level 4 & 5 in this multi-part mini-series


Self-Defense Murder: Level 4

These people kill in self-defense, but they aren't entirely innocent themselves; they may have been "extremely provocative" toward their victim. Traumatized, desperate persons who killed abusive relatives or other people, but who show remorse for their crime and are not psychopaths.

Desperate Measures Murder: Level 5

These are traumatized, desperate killers of abusive relatives or others -- but they lack “significant psychopathic traits” and are genuinely remorseful.

Check out The New Evil: Understanding the Emergence of Modern Violent Crime. Copyright © 2019 by Michael H. Stone, MD, and Gary Brucato, PhD.

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Unpopular Culture Podcast is a psychology podcast hosted by Professor & Psychoanalyst Michael Drane. With help from professionals in different fields, he seeks to shine light into the broken underbelly of society.

Listen as he takes on the psychology behind subjects like:

True Crime: serial killers, murders, stalkers, cults, forensic analysis

Psychology: mental illness, social phenomenon, mob mentality, psychoanalysis, etc. 

Culture: Sexuality, Satanic Panic, love, Tv analysis, movie analysis. 

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Ep: 125 - Scale of Evil (Part 1) Levels 1,2, and 3 (Self Defense Murder) - Reviewing Dr. Michael Stone's "Scale of Evil"


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Prof Michael Drane reviews Dr. Michael Stone's "Scale of Evil" using infamous cases. This episode looks at the first 3 levels of murder- Self Defense, Jealousy, & Companion Murders

Check out The New Evil: Understanding the Emergence of Modern Violent Crime. Copyright © 2019 by Michael H. Stone, MD, and Gary Brucato, PhD.


A Brief Description of The Scale Of Evil in This Episode


NOT EVIL

1. Justified Homicide

The least malevolent: Those who have killed in self-defense and do not show psychopathic features.

2. Jealous Lovers, Non-Psychopathic

Though egocentric or immature, evildoers in this category committed their crimes in the heat of passion.

3. Willing Companions Of Killers

Still far from psychopathic, some have antisocial traits and an aberrant personality. They're often driven by impulse.


About Dr. Michael Stone


Dr. Michael Stone is a professor of clinical psychiatry at Columbia. His specialty is personality disorders - most especially “borderline personality disorder.” But in recent years he has concentrated as well on the extremes of personality, as shown by persons who show antisocial, psychopathic, and sadistic traits. This led to an interest in the kinds of people committing murder - spanning the spectrum from jealousy murders to serial killers and torturers. Recently he served as the host of the Discovery Channel show, “Most Evil,” for which he was sent around the country interviewing serial killers and murderers of other types. This experience, plus his research over the past twenty years, led to his writing The Anatomy of Evil (appearing in July of 2009). The book explores the “why” factor: what are the inborn and environmental factors that cause certain people to commit murder and, at the extreme end, to behave with uncommon cruelty toward their fellow man. Modeled after Dante’s Inferno, the book progresses from the least to the most “evil” crimes, and contains a chapter devoted to recent contributions from neuroscience toward understanding the mind of the psychopath.


Unpopular Culture Podcast is a psychology podcast hosted by Professor & Psychoanalyst Michael Drane. With help from professionals in different fields, he seeks to shine light into the broken underbelly of society.

Listen as he takes on the psychology behind subjects like:

True Crime: serial killers, murders, stalkers, cults, forensic analysis

Psychology: mental illness, social phenomenon, mob mentality, psychoanalysis, etc. 

Culture: Sexuality, Satanic Panic, love, Tv analysis, movie analysis. 

We are an independent psychology podcast. Help us keep UPC free of ads and on the air. Please consider supporting the show and get access to our "Stalkers Only" archive, and help be a part of the creative process.

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Ep: 118 - Murder for Hire - The Psychology of Contract Killing

People kill for pleasure, but what about those who kill for money? "What are the different types of murder, and what motivates a contract killer?" Mass murderers, serial killers, and paid assassins, is there a difference between these types? Is murder for hire the same thing as serial murder, or perhaps something else entirely? We are a forensic psychology podcast that focuses on true crime.

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Ep: 113 - I'm in Love With a Serial Killer - Psychology of Murder and Love

What would it take for you to fall in love with a serial killer? Why would someone fall in love with someone who committed such crimes? We dive into the psychological phenomenon known as "Hybristophillia".

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Ep: 105 - Serial Killer Analysis: The Skin My Mother Wears - (Preview)

Serial Killer Ed Gein is infamous for using human body parts to make a skin suit that he could wear to be closer to his dead mother.

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Ep: 78 - Stories From A Mental Hospital - Working in a Mental Hospital

We meet up with Dr. Kirk Honda (From the Psychology In Seattle Podcast) about working in inpatient mental hospitals. Professor Michael Drane has worked in various mental health organizations for the past decade. His roles include things like Behavioral Health Technician, and Intake therapist.

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Ep: 49 - Herb Baumeister & The House on Fox Hollow Farm —The Psychology of Serial Killers

In this episode, Michael Drane, UPC's resident psychotherapist dives into the Psychology of Erotophonophilia & Auto-Erotic Asphixiation. You'll also hear a psychological profile of Herb Baumeister, prolific serial killer and murderer who turned his massive estate, "Fox Hollow Farm" into a burial ground.

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Ep: 25 - Cult Leaders Vs. Serial Killers - Psychology of Cult Leaders, Serial Killers, & Self-Fulfilling Prophecy

We are here to answer these questions. 1: What are the differences between the infamous cult leader Jim Jones vs. Serial Killers? And our favorite serial killer? 2: Do you believe in self-diagnosis? Should we be able to diagnose ourselves or should it be done by a professional?

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