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Imagine the horror of being kidnapped. Let that sink in for a moment.

Now, imagine the horror of being buried alive, in a box, underground—which is worse?

Now, imagine both.

Level 19 psychopath Gary S. Krist was responsible for the abduction and ransom of Barbara Mackle, daughter to real estate tycoon Robert Mackle, in 1968. He kidnapped her, buried her alive, and then demanded her father pay a half-million-dollar ransom for her safe return. But is Gary as evil as we think he is?

In this week’s episode, Professor Michael Drane explores the qualifications for a Level 19 psychopath based on Dr. Michael Stone’s Gradations of Evil Scale. This episode is reserved for our beloved stalkers of the podcast and is a continuation of our Scale of Evil series.

If you’d like to listen to the rest of this episode, head over to patreon.com/upcpodcast to become a stalker. You won’t regret it. ;)

Stay safe out there friends, and we hope you enjoy the show.

Music By: Michael Drane

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ABOUT UPC

Unpopular Culture Podcast is a psychology podcast hosted by Professor & Psychotherapist Michael Drane. With help from professionals in different fields, he seeks to shine light into the broken underbelly of society.

Listen as he takes on the psychology behind subjects like:

True Crime: serial killers, murders, stalkers, cults, forensic analysis

Psychology: mental illness, social phenomenon, mob mentality, psychoanalysis, etc. 

Culture: Sexuality, Satanic Panic, love, Tv analysis, movie analysis. 

We are an independent psychology podcast. Help us keep UPC free of ads and on the air. Please consider supporting the show and get access to our "Stalkers Only" archive, and help be a part of the creative process.

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